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Image:Avrillavignex.jpg

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Suspected Copyright violation, unable to determine original source of image on original site, original site contains numerous non-owned images. Photographer not specified. I suspect the site owner was not the original copyright holder and therefore not able to release this image. Cary Bass demandez 14:01, 21 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

  •  Keep we have OTRS permission, we should only delete this if actual evidence it is a copyright violation appears, per m:Avoid Copyright Paranoia. -Nard 14:20, 21 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  •  Keep did you check the OTRS email, keep per Nard Madmax32 20:20, 21 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
     Comment I was the one who checked the OTRS mail in the first place. I'm doubting the credibility of it. Cary Bass demandez 22:33, 21 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
    Are you saying that I faked the message? Whenever I look for an image, I always ask for permission first.[1] But either way, I could care less as I've already found a better image to replace it on the main page.--CyberGhostface 17:06, 23 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
    Well then as a trusted OTRS user it's up to you to make that call, not the community, right? -Nard 02:14, 22 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Corbis has several very similar shots by professional photographer Stephane Cardinale from People Avenue. (Go to pro.corbis.com and search for "lavigne".) The OTRS permission would need to state clearly who the photographer was and would have to make plausible that that photographer did indeed release this image under a free license. Normally, fan sites don't own the copyright on the images they display. Possibly one could also try to contact Mr. Cardinale on the wild guess that it was indeed one of his pictures. But absent any such confirmation:  Delete Lupo 11:57, 22 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Indeed there are some similar photos on corbis but clearly not the same one, so not conclusive proof, also the date on the images you mention is January 24, 2006, whereas this one is june 27 2006 and at a different event (both in Paris though interestingly) Madmax32 12:17, 22 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
according to [2] and [3] the dates for both the corbis image and this one are potentially correct Madmax32 12:32, 22 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
According to the link you've given, the autumn show in Paris was in July... I didn't claim Cardinale was the photographer, I just pointed out that possibility. There were other photographers present. I wonder if the date given for the image is correct. It would be rather unusual to wear the same dress at two different fashion shows. (At least I think so. I'm not an expert on haute couture. I thought they were also a place for the audience to show off?) And I can only find mentions of her having visited the spring-summer show in January 2006. No mention of her visiting a show in June. Maybe someone else can find one? Lupo 12:51, 22 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
good point about the date, and the dress but I'm not sure if you can tell that it's the same (apart from the color) if it is a copyvio, how did the webmaster obtain a high resolution image and why did they watermark it? Madmax32 21:11, 22 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Fansite webmasters are notoriously confused about copyright, hosting all images they can possibly get. For example, the site happily hosts high resolution versions of WireImage photos in their Chanel Haute Couture Show 2006 gallery. People are also often confused on "use" vs Commons:Licensing when giving permissions. This image has been on the alavigne site at least since the end of February 2006, judging by the archive.org page and the comment dates of its description page in Google's cache. Its original name PET06012412.jpg (still works!) puts it together with another image from the same set, PET06012413.jpg, which isn't so studio quality. So, could still be a legit photo from a fan with a good camera. --Para 09:13, 24 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Shouldn't an attempt be made to contact the webmaster to find out who took this photo? Madmax32 09:14, 23 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Sorry to rain on the paranoia parade, but Image:Avrilgfdl.JPG was a personal photo taken by the photographer on flickr, and he released his image for use here once I sent him a message explaining the GFDL policies. If you were to check out the flickr link, you would see that he makes reference to taking it himself in addition with several other photos on his album.--CyberGhostface 17:21, 23 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Image:MMVA2007_AvrilLavigne.jpg is a perfectly documented image. Stephen Ewen 18:05, 23 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

deleted, --Polarlys 23:53, 25 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

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